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Date:2008-05-08 20:29

Its official...We won The Award for Best in New style Award at The West Coast American Indian Music Awards this last week for our song entitled "Fly Blind". We are very excited about this and other recent developements, stay tuned for those......<br /><br />Please stop in and have a listen to that track....please repost and pass the word!!!!<br /><br /><br />West<br /><br />Samala/Cahuilla<br /><br />Pavon9ne 


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Date:2008-05-06 01:27
Subject:Canada is calling and we need your help

This is West from the band Pvon9ne. We are being scouted by some people in the Music Industry in Canada. This is a huge development for us......Please repost this bulletin and encourage your friends to visit our page,send a friend request,comment us etc. The more activity we can show on this page within the next 2 days the better.

any and all help is good....

Thank you in advance for taking the time to do this. It means the world to us.

all you do is:
Click Here for Pavon9ne!!!


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Date:2005-01-30 21:29
Subject:new addiction...

I am on http://myspace.com
is anybody else?
if so, search for Dr.Rob....

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Date:2005-01-22 20:45
Subject:Mylove, My angel...

So I'm at this bar earlier this evening and thats when I ran into her. Tall thin vision with Chestnut hair and blue eyes. Not your regular blue eyes, but the Cobalt blue of the sky after the rain has passed on a North Dakota Spring day. She moved easily in and among the crowd that threatend to swallow her at any given moment. At every corner she faced every advance request and demand with the grace of one who has always been blessed with this beauty. It was as if it was instinct that that told her I was here. She turned slowly my way.That was when I first noticed her smile. It wasas if the sky of hell had been cracked and the light fell across me. I could sense that she felt what I was feeling.The look of the loss of all abandon was in her eyes.She also attempted to articulate those feelings which are so hard to put into words within herself. As it filled me, the awe I was feeling welled up within and manifested as a silent prayer across my lips.The din of the room swirled and vanished. Ouside my perceptions and without notice the air grew heavy brining about a silence like that within a church after service.As she drew closer my heart began to race. I begin to cover the ground that I had earlier when rehearsing what it was that I would say in a moment such as this. As her footsteps fell across the floor, the manic pace of my heart and the shallowness of my breath overtook me. The moment was now; I will speak with the vision. She parted her lips as I breathed in her scent longing for the soft accidental brush of her beautifull hand;wanting her hair to fall all around me and wanting to get lost within her.Thats when she uttered those magical life defining words granted by fate:

"Welcome to Johnnys my I please take your order?"

;^ )

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Date:2005-01-18 10:22
Subject:Wintyr Jaedon Cruz 1995-2002

He is with God

I am angry he is not with me.

I ache to hear your voice again

I wait to hold you

I miss the smell of your hair

the kindness of your smile

and your laughter

I miss you so much son..

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Date:2005-01-18 09:45
Subject:Hey liz...

Wow.. I met you 14 years ago in Moscow... Whoa.. we almost got married...

Truly, you are one of the best friends that I have. I also appreciate that no matter how much time goes by there is no awkward silence
or the whole "we really have grown apart" thing going on. It's one of the few timeless places that I have left.

so much time has passed...
we are both married,educated, you own your own business ( http://vintagejunkonline.com ) (psstt..her picture is there,try to find it,let me know if you do)
I am still a musician...

I am so proud and honored to have made a friend like you.

Remember that time I swallowed that broken glass in kiev...or when I got punched on the subway in Moscow..Gabe pissed off those guys in Ireland by calling them Catholic...When we went down to Custer's House in North Dakota....These are just the beginnings of many funny stories that begin with the statement " but it was'nt my fault this time....

I could go on for days....

I will see you soon.

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Date:2005-01-16 17:05
Subject:long time.....

since we last spoke:
I joined the Army reserve was placed in an airborne unit, being deployed to Afghanastan and Iraq,
discharged from the army did not go over seas, just got back from a road trip across Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona,
currently filling in as a lead singer in Local band, bought proTools, Recording a demo for my Entertainment Attorney for Major label,
planing trip to Japan... I think that covers it

Drop Me a line......

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Date:2004-08-01 00:09

Happy blue moon.Beautiful Desert nite.

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Date:2004-07-29 09:46

Wow.. The State of California is making it difficult for us to reduce toxins in the air by way of Biodiesel production but they are allowing more toxins to be added to its water supply...

WMD in Riverside county has given in to the Fluoride myth. Within the next 30 months they will implement a gradual introduction of Sodium Fluoride into the water system. The start will be Lake Skinner,CA. All cities serviced by this reservoir will effected.

This is just one of the many side effects we can look forward to seeing in and around town:


for more info:



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Date:2004-07-28 09:43


got signed by Atlantic
told Jennifer Love Hewitt it was over
meeting Nichole Kidman for for dinner

love this life....

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Date:2004-07-23 10:56

ahh yes my day off... I am heading into Hemet to day. I will swing by the house. The final walk through will be on Monday August 9 at 1:30.

 I ran into Jeff Berkley  at Ikea in San Diego. cool guy.

well, Off I go into the heat....

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Date:2004-07-22 11:16
Subject:A quick word from Richard Sauerheber, Ph.D.

Slick Fluoride Editorials

July 21, 2004
Today’s North County Times slick fluoride editorial is part of the problem, not the solution. It joins two other editorials that promote fluoride addition to drinking water as though somehow fresh water is now considered unhealthy and must be fixed. ‘Necessary restrictions’ on freedom, like seat belts, was used as an excuse to fluoridate the public’s blood! Seat belts and helmets are worn to prevent accidental death. They aren’t swallowed. Fluoride IS swallowed and doesn’t prevent death. Restricting freedom, when it is necessary, is one thing; but when it is unnecessary, it is evil.
The author growing up on fluoride water and surviving with one remaining original tooth also was used to ‘prove’ fluoride’s effectiveness and safety. So everyone must pay taxes to have massive amounts of fluoride placed in public water supplies by officials, to fluoridate lawns, gardens, pets, baths, showers, radiators, carwashes, etc., rather than buying fluoride droplets cheaply at the grocery store to directly add to one’s drinking water if they desired it.
How did we ever live prior to 1956 when artificial fluoride was first put in municipal drinking water? I’ll tell you: many people lived their entire lives, without a single cavity, on fresh water by brushing their teeth with baking soda! The idea that fluoride is necessary for teeth health is in error. And the Hippocratic Oath is violated at the same time, by forcing medicine into one’s blood without their ability to withdraw from treatment as they wish. We need this right to withdraw for 1) kidney patients on large volumes of dialysis water (two now were killed, one in Chicago, ILL by fluoridated water), 2) athletes in summertime consuming much water, and 3) all who want not to worry about mistaken doses injected by water district employees, as happened in the death and poisonings in Hooper Bay, Alaska.
Having one remaining tooth is nothing to brag about or to thank fluoride for. Ah, but all the world’s a stage—the real killer at Hooper Bay wasn’t suspected first to be fluoride either, because why would the PHS add something they knew would kill you? A disguised poison at low levels is worse than one that’s evident; you think since you’ve lived with it for many years it isn’t EVER poison. This explains the PHS mentality and their desire to ignore Hooper Bay. It took years before the survivors of the Alaska incident sued the city because of this disguise. And because I didn’t eat the blue-dyed sodium fluoride rat poison on my mom’s floor, that means it CAN’T ever poison me? Right. And all because someone else, a public official who never met my kids, is more interested in my kids’ health than I am? Quite a gig.
Richard Sauerheber, Ph.D.

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Date:2004-07-22 10:39

went to band practice last night. I caught in the traffic jam from hell because of this. Geeze what a mess. so, needless to say I got home at 3am. The 1.5 hour drive turned into 5. While I was in San Jacinto I was able to swing by the rez .

talked to tyrelco this morning. We are going to be able to get the studio up and running sooner than anticipated. I can't wait to get the band up and recording again.we have been in this band together for 8 years now. Time flies......

The house is almost done. I will be moving  back to Hemet in about 3 weeks.

at work right now...what to do.......

Damn I'm tired...... 

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Date:2004-07-21 09:55

I cant believe they print this crap. It is misguided.This man was exposed to sodium flouride and not hydrofluosilicic acid.
free press my ass...


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Date:2004-07-20 21:53
Mood: angry

that people really think that putting fluoride in the water is a good thing. Fluoride does not have the ability to distinguish calcium from you bones and that of your teeth. If you live in a community that has fluoridated water or are in an area that is set to add it to the water source, please read the following and vote against it (fluoride)
Preserve your right to clean, safe drinking water. Let us learn from the tragedy at Hooper Bay, Alaska

Dr.Richard Sauerheber is a gifted and trusted colleague of mine.

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Date:2004-07-20 21:53
Subject:On the Toxicity of Fluoridated Water

Richard D. Sauerheber, Ph.D.
(Chemistry, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla,
California, 1976)
Palomar Community College
1140 W. Mission Rd.
San Marcos, CA 92069

The mechanism by which fluoride’s lethal poisoning of man and animals occurs
is presented. "Low" level fluoridation of municipal water exhibits
known alterations in teeth and bone structure and calcification of tendons
and ligaments. ‘Moderate’ doses cause spinal deformities and increased hip
fracture tendency and kidney and gall stones. Higher levels cause death and
are responsible for its major industrial use as a rodenticide. Solubility
calculations indicate that fluoride doses required to decrease calcium below
physiological blood levels are comparable to those present in poisoned
victims’ tissues and to those causing decreased beat rates in isolated heart
cells in culture. Acute lethal poisoning and many of the chronic ‘low’ level
effects of fluoride are mediated by calcium binding by the fluoride ion.
An array of scientific findings indicate that the decision made by many
cities as early as 1956 to add fluoride (a rodenticide) to municipal
drinking water, as long as the dose is below a certain level (usually 1 part
per million, 1 milligram fluoride per liter or 0.05 mM) to decrease the
incidence of something as minor as tooth decay, was irrational. We now know
that precipitates of calcium fluoride occur in fluoridated water cities when
the acidity is low (a pH above 7) depending on the fluoride level used. This
causes scaling of water pipes (1) and numerous biological effects in
consumers, the extent determined by the acidity and the amount of calcium
in the water.
Fluoridated municipal water supplies in the United States have been
found to contain fluoride levels ranging anywhere from 0.012 mM to a record
lethal accidental 7.5 mM (8). The biologic effects have been diverse,
covering the entire above range. In spite of lethal poisonings from
municipal water fluoridation programs, the Public Health Service retains its
mandate to fluoridate all U.S. cities as soon as possible and to reach out
to other cities throughout the world in an effort to minimize tooth decay
while fluoridating the blood of the water consumer as though this were an
acceptable alternative to topical fluoride or to addition of fluoride to
one’s own consumed water.
Unfortunately, in 1992 at the mouth of the Yukon River in Hooper Bay,
Alaska the unthinkable occurred. In what is considered an accident, an
entire village was poisoned by its own fluoridated water supply when the
system malfunctioned. This represents the first ‘experiment’ in which human
beings were exposed to lethal doses of fluoride. Blood samples were measured
for incorporated fluoride and calcium ion and provided much pathologic
information on the effects of high doses of fluoride assimilated from
municipal drinking water supplies (8). 296 residents were severely poisoned
with one fatality. Most had heart malfunction-associated symptoms and severe
gastrointestinal pain.
It is now understood that the conversion of fluoride ion into HF,
hydrofluoric acid, occurred in the stomach due to the stomach acid HCl at pH
3 and the HF caused the intense pain. HF cannot be stored in glass since it
dissolves the container; it also dissolves leather and skin. Also blood
calcium levels dropped to 1/3 of normal in one victim, causing a heart
attack and the loss of his life. Although the authors of the study were
uncertain whether the fluoride itself caused the effect directly or rather
was due to its known ability to precipitate magnesium or calcium ion, our
recent computations indicate that low blood calcium is responsible for the
lethal effect of acute fluoride poisoning, as indicated below.
Precipitation of calcium fluoride into peoples’ bones, tendons and
ligaments (9) occurs depending at typical doses added to municipal water.
The condition known medically as fluorosis is associated as expected with
spinal rigidity and bone fragility (2), the severity depending on the
fluoride level present in the blood and for how long.
If fluoride exposure is sufficiently high or prolonged, formation of
kidney and gall stones is known to occur, due to the low solubility of
calcium fluoride (0.2 mM at pH 7 at room temperature) (4,6). People with
hyperparathyroidism or osteosclerosis are more susceptible in this regard to
chronic consumption than others since the calcium fluoride deposits in the
soft tissues more efficiently because of lack of sufficient binding sites in
bones for it (1).
Interestingly, in children raised on fluoridated water, teeth
themselves are more rigid while at the same time may be somewhat more
resistant to cavities, but no such effect on adult teeth occurs according to
many sources (1, chap. 39, p. 896). Thus fluoridation of adult blood is
unnecessary and indeed useless for this purpose.
The dean of Tulane University in New Orleans indicated that fluoridated
water consumption at certain doses eventually causes gum disease and for
this reason New Orleans water was not fluoridated at the time Chicago and
New York and other cities approved it (1). Also, in 1960 under oath in
Chicago, the researcher for the Public Health Service who started the
fluoridation idea admitted that his data constituting the scientific basis
for fluoridation were invalid, shattering its foundation (1). The original
observation that people consuming water in Texas that happened to have
fluoride into it also had whiter teeth than usual was insufficient to
justify mass fluoride addition to other public water supplies, since no one
was cognizant of the coexistence of other unhealthful effects that also
The effects of fluoride are subtle enough to go unnoticed for most
people at the levels of fluoridation used currently in Southern California
(0.012 mM)(Vallecitos Municipal Water district handouts) and at the
increased levels proposed to be used. But since fluoride is converted
completely in the stomach to hydrofluoric acid (5), the most corrosive
substance known to man, it is likely that consumption of fluoride at levels
used in some cities is associated with ulceration of gastric and duodenal
tissue (where the pH has yet to return to basic values that occur in the
middle intestine). And many report evidence in rats that it eventually
causes cancer (1),.
Some argue these effects are unimportant if the municipal water supply
maintains very low levels of fluoridation; but the longer the consumption
occurs for an individual and the more elderly the person with less cell
division occurring in the gastric mucosa, the more overt symptoms become.
Individuals with ulcers or heartburn are not good candidates for the long
term consumption of water containing fluoride, particularly at doses allowed
by the Public Health Service (2-4 mg/L, 0.1-0.2 mM)(VWD handouts). These
high doses can be dangerous depending on the amount of water consumed, the
individual’s own body chemistry, and the ionic composition and pH of the
particular cities’ water that would be fluoridated to this level.
We here determine whether and to what extent blood levels of calcium
may be affected by various fluoride doses that are known to occur in the
blood of fluoridated water consumers to attempt to determine its modes of
action. Our calculations are consistent with the notion that fluoride’s
lethal effects on the heart are due to low blood calcium subsequent to
saturation of body fluids with fluoride at its known low solubility in the
presence of physiologic levels of calcium.
Analytical Results and Discussion
Sublethal poisoning occurs at 0.1-0.2 mM fluoride in blood (3,7) and
lethal poisoning occurs in the 0.2 to 0.6 mM range due to heart failure (3).
We investigate the possibility that the margin of safety is so slight
between unnoticed effects (0.02-0.05 mM) to sublethal (0.1-0.2 mM) and
lethal poisoning (0.2-0.6 mM) is because below the critical concentration of
fluoride in the blood that causes precipitation of calcium fluoride only
chronic, often unnoticed effects would occur. Much like being near a hot
electrical wire, one can coexist next to it for lifetimes without any
difficulties. But one false movement too close to the wire would be a
With this in mind, we calculated the concentration of fluoride that
would cause calcium fluoride precipitates to first form from the known
solubility product constant (Ksp) for calcium fluoride (Ksp = 3.4 x 10-11
(6)) and the known concentration of calcium ion in normal human blood (3 mM)
(5). The computed dose is 0.1 mM. Here the concentration of fluoride is:
[F-] = (Ksp/[Ca2+])1/2 from the definition of the solubility product
constant for insoluble salts where CaF2 Ca2+ + 2 F- and Ksp = [Ca2+][F-]2
(see Table I). The concentration of fluoride where the blood calcium level
would be lowered to the lethal low level of about 1 mM is 0.2 mM fluoride.
In Table I the calculated calcium levels that would coexist in fluid
with a given fluoride level from solubility considerations are compared with
actual measurements of blood levels of calcium and fluoride ion in the
lethal poisoned human victim from Hooper Bay, Alaska. Note the good
agreement between theoretically calculated fluoride levels, that should
lower blood calcium ion to levels below normal, with the actual calcium and
fluoride ion levels measured in the blood of this human victim poisoned with
fluoridated municipal water in Hooper Bay.
Also note the below-normal calculated calcium ion level that would
coexist with fluoride doses found to slow heart cell beat rates in detailed
in vitro experiments (10). Isolated beating heart cell preparations from
mammals exhibit beat rates that are proportional to the calcium ion level in
the incubation medium from .3 - 3 mM. Calcium chelating agents EGTA and EDTA
and the calcium binding site competitor La3+ ion completely block
excitation-contraction coupling in intact beating hearts and in isolated
cell preparations (11). Further, addition of fluoride to beating heart cell
preparations slows beat rates in a dose-dependent manner that Ksp
calculations indicate would lower calcium ion levels in the incubation
medium (see Table I).
These calculated doses are fully consistent with other published data
indicating that tissue levels of fluoride in poisoned people are in the 0.2
- 0.4 mM range (5). Also the known human lethal dose is 1-5 grams per adult
taken at one time acutely (3,5). Since the average adult contains about 43
liters of body fluid this corresponds to a concentration of fluoride of 0.5
mM in such a case of instant acute poisoning.
Wang, Zhang and Wang also found the heart cell beat rate in cultured
cells in well-controlled experiments progressively slows with increasing
fluoride levels in a regular, concentration-dependent manner (10). Unlike
skeletal muscle, cardiac muscle requires extracellular calcium ion from the
bloodstream to couple electrical excitation of the cell membrane with
contraction of cardiac muscle fibers (11). Each time the heart contracts,
calcium fluxes into the heart cells from the extracellular fluid (at 3 mM
calcium ion normally). When the heart relaxes, the calcium is pumped back
out of the cell, allowing the fibrils to relax. Lowered extracellular
calcium ion levels block contraction of the heart.
These data together suggest that the mechanism by which fluoride
ingestion is lethal is by causing hypocalcemia and blockage of heart
contractions. Fluoride levels in blood below 0.1 mM do not lower calcium ion
below normal as no precipitate yet forms in the blood at this or lower
doses. But the instant fluoride exceeds this amount to any degree, calcium
ion precipitates and the blood level is lowered, unable to support normal
heart function.
Fluoride acts as an enzyme inhibitor for all enzymes requiring calcium
for function by binding the ion and is used routinely to block sugar
metabolism in red blood cells for clinical laboratory analyses of blood
specimens. Fluoride also attaches to calcium anywhere this ion is
concentrated throughout the body, including teeth, bones, ligaments,
skeletal muscle and brain. But the most crucial function requiring calcium
that is fluoride-sensitive is the mechanism of contraction in normal
beating hearts.
That extracellular calcium is an obligatory requirement for heart cells
to undergo contraction after electrical excitation is well known. Heart
cells do not have well-developed sarcoplasmic reticulum to store calcium for
this purpose as does all skeletal muscle, which does not exhibit this
extreme sensitivity to changes in blood calcium level. The cellular uptake
of calcium occurs during the plateau phase of the cardiac action potential
and extracellular calcium is necessary for the development of contractile
force (11). The strength of contraction (inotropic state) of the heart
depends on calcium, where half maximal contractility occurs at 0.5 mM
calcium outside cells (12).
It is also possible that chronic ‘low’ level biologic effects of
fluoride are also mediated exclusively by binding and sequestration of
calcium. Prior to levels of calcium in the blood being lowered (below 0.1
mm fluoride), regions in the body enriched in calcium would still
precipitate calcium fluoride, as in bone, teeth, ligaments and brain. The
usual physiologic response to such an insult is to increase levels of
hormones such as calcitonin to mobilize calcium from bone to fight the
sequestration. At higher fluoride doses, precipitates may be directly
responsible for the known formation of gall and kidney stones in fluoridated
The current level of fluoride in Southern California drinking water is
0.25 mg per liter or 0.012 mM. The blood level is typically in consumers
about 1/5 to 1/8 the water level. This is below the solubility for calcium
fluoride at normal body pH, temperature and prevailing body fluid calcium
levels, and it is easy for many to assume the information in this manuscript
is irrelevant. But some cities use up to 1 or 1.5 mg/L (0.05-0.075 mM) or
the Federal allowed ceiling of 2-4 mg/L (0.1-0.2 mM) and are near or at the
maximum level that would just begin precipitation of calcium, with
hypocalcemia, unless the city water happened to have so much calcium in it
that it precipitated as the fluoride preventing the fluoride added from
entering one’s blood at that level.
Arguments that fluoridated cities have increased per capita heart
attack rates because of fluoride’s effects (U.S.P.H.S. Congressional Record,
Mar 24, 1952 reporting 1,059 heart disease deaths in 1948 in Grand Rapids,
Michigan per year after 3 years of fluoridation but 585 per year before
fluoridation; N.Y. News Jan 27, 1954 reported after 9 years fluoridation in
Newbourgh, 882 heart deaths per 100,000, 74% above national rate from
unfluoridated cities), rather than because high population density tends to
produce stressful lives, is consistent with this discussion. The Hooper Bay
disaster contained its own internal control, since part of the cities’ water
was on a different fluoridated system that did not malfunction at the time.
Obviously the heart attack rate per capita was greater on the fluoridated
system’s water because of the fluoride, not because lives were more
stressful in this section of Hooper Bay. As reviewed in Fluoride Debate,
Healthway House, 403 Mason St., San Marcos, 2001 by Anita Baker, fluoride
consumption has many reported direct effects on heart function (Fluoride 30,
pp. 16-18, 1997, no. 1, where EKG analyses of patients with fluorosis is
reported, and Lancet, Jan 28, 1961, p. 197 and Tokushima, J. Exper. Med.
3-50-53, 156 where mottling of teeth caused by fluoridation was associated
with increased incidence of EKG detected heart abnormalities).
The fluoride level that would precipitate calcium from Southern
California water (where calcium ion is about 2 mM) would be 0.14 mM
fluoride. So before we could reach fluoride levels approaching the Federal
ceiling in water it would precipitate calcium from our drinking water first.
To maintain a higher level of fluoride than 0.14 mM would be expensive,
requiring addition of enough to precipitate the calcium in the water first.
More would be required on top of that amount to increase fluoride to a
higher desired level. Fortunately this would be very difficult.
Adding sodium fluoride to public water is paid for by taxpayer adults
who will not reap any measurable benefits from it. It takes resources, time,
chemicals and machinery to continue to add it to drinking water. It is
putting the water district in charge of drugging the public and for
something as innocuous as a cavity rather than for serious effects such as
infectious illness for which we have properly chosen chlorination, with the
much less electronegative halogen.
It is not in keeping with a free society or with proper health care
practice to impose these risks associated with fluoridating the blood of
people, livestock, and pets, and also all agricultural products, not to
mention our lawns and gardens, compared to the less significant problem of
perhaps having tooth decay. Tooth decay should be minimized more efficiently
and safely if desired with addition of fluoride products to children’s teeth
carefully without swallowing or better yet by simply brushing more
vigorously and regularly. After the death of the Brooklyn, New York boy in
the dentist chair when fluoride gel was swallowed, and after the Hooper Bay,
Alaska incident, it is clear that our blood is more important than concern
for cavities. Teeth are replacable but lives are not. In keeping with the
Hippocratic oath, no physician reserves the right to medicate anyone without
their permission, and all patients must remain free to withdraw from drug or
other treatment programs at any time. Forced fluoridation in public water
supplies ironically constitutes a reversal of these Public Health Service
policies. The easy way - fluoridate through the bloodstream by drinking - is
unnecessary (since topical application is possible) and criminal (in light
of the above findings). Proper dental hygiene is much safer and achieves
the desired result anyway. The notion recently publicized that
‘antifluoridationists’ are similar to earlier critics of smallpox
vaccination is inconsistent with the facts that smallpox is lethal and only
prevented with blood vaccination, but cavities are not lethal and can be
prevented with proper hygiene and if necessary the bacteria that cause
caries in the first place can be quickly destroyed with simple methods such
as hydrogen peroxide washings, etc. without loss of life.
1. The Grim Truth about Fluoridation, Robert M. Buck, G.P. Putnam & Son,
New York, 1964.
2. Blakiston’s Medical Dictionary, 1960, 3rd edition.
3. The Merck Index, 9th edition, Merck and Co., Inc., Rahway, New Jersey,
4. The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 50th edition, Chemical Rubber
Co., Cleveland, Ohio, 1976.
5. Teitz, N., Clinical Chemistry, W.B. Saunders, Philadelphia, 1976.
6. Ebbing, D. , General Chemistry, Houghton Mifflin Co, Inc., Boston, 1990
7. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, Gleason, M., ed. Williams
and Wilkins, Baltimore, 3rd edition, 1969.
8. Gessner, B., New England Journal of Medicine 330 p. 95, 1994
9. Goodman, L.S. and Gilman, A. The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics,
5th edition, MacMillan Publishing Co., New York
10. Wang F., Zhang, D., and Wang, R. "Toxic effects of fluoride on beating

myocardial cells cultured in vitro", Fluoride 31(1) pp. 26-32, 1998.
11. Langer, G. A., Federation Proceedings, 35, p.1274, 1976.
12. Williamson, J. R., Woodrow, M. L., Scarpa, A. in: Fleckenstein, A.,
Dhalla, N.S., eds., "Recent Advances in Cardiac Structure and
vol. 5, Baltimore, University Park Press, p. 61, 1975.

Table I
Effects of F- on Blood Ca2+ Concentrations*
[Ca2+] [F-] (mM)
3.0 0.10 (F- calculated from Ksp, for precipitation of blood Ca2+)
1.3 0.48 (human blood measurements, Hooper Bay, Alaska victim)
1.2 0.18 (human blood calcium from Hooper Bay deceased
1.3 victim**)
1.4 0.15 (Ca2+ calculated from Ksp for F- dose lowering heart cell
beat rate 17%)
1.0 0.20 (F- calculated from Ksp to lower blood Ca2+ to 1 mM)
0.4 0.30 (Ca2+ calculated from Ksp for F- dose lowering heart cell
beat rate 27%)

*Some cities recommend 01. - 0.2 mM fluoride be added to drinking water.
Typically 1/5 or so of the water fluoride level is the consumers’ blood
fluoride level (as long as there are no accidents, equipment malfunction as
in Hooper Bay disaster, or miscalculated doses added).
As for any insoluble precipitate, the Ksp solubility product constant
determines the concentration in solution of the ions that dissolve from the
salt. For calcium fluoride where CaF2 Ca2+ + 2F-, Ksp = [Ca2+][F-]2 = 3.4
x 10-11. This relation was used to calculate F- levels for a given Ca2+
level or Ca2+ levels for a known F- level. Other measurements in the table
were from actual blood samples drawn from Hooper Bay, Alaska victims where
fluoridated municipal water, for which machinery malfunctioned, poisoned 296
residents. Not mentioned is the increased thirst associated with heavily
fluoridated water, a biologic response to this insult that was up to that
time unknown.
The solubility of calcium fluoride changes somewhat with temperature and
pH. It is slightly more soluble at body temperature of 37oC (about 5%) but
less soluble with increasing basicity (very slight for pH 7.4 of blood); we
here estimate the solubility with the Ksp for calcium fluoride at pH 7 at
25oC since these offsetting effects are so small for this shift.
**For unexplained reasons the blood fluoride was not measured in the victim
who died, but blood calcium was. Urine fluoride was measured, which for all
other subjects was about 50 times the blood level. The blood fluoride level
entered with the known calcium level was computed from Ksp considerations.
Dividing the urine fluoride by 50 produces a dose somewhat below this

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